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J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« on: March 12, 2009, 10:48:19 pm »
If any of you have time I need a bit of help with a wash bowl & pitcher set my wife inherited from her grandmother.  It is a J&G Meakin.  From the marking on the bottom & the flow blue pattern I think it is 1890 to 1907 and is Ironstone.  I've got it listed on ebay & don't want to misrepresent it.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I also have not been able to find the pattern anywhere.



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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2009, 12:24:07 am »
That is a wonderful pitcher, looks like it is doin well on Ebay too.  Got it on my watch list, just may have to place a bid.  Meakin items are very wonderful works.  I really hope it does much better on ebay then right now, It will be worth it if you get a few big bills for it.  Good luck, thanks for sharing a wonderful piece of history.  :)

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2009, 12:30:30 am »
P.S.  Thanks KC for the great link, I will find that one useful. 

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 07:44:31 am »
It's not a flow blue pattern. these set's normally don't do well. there's no demand. back in the early' 70's ( Yes I'am that Old !) they were a fad every body had one & the stand to go with them.

Imported from china & japan.

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2009, 10:11:33 am »
Sorry, but I have to agree with D&b....This isn't considered a highly collectible piece....so many were made.....this was a "typical" item in many homes....usually on a stand with a mirror above it.  (I'm that old too! Was in High School...)   However, as we so often tout....the sentimental value is what sells...so hopefully someone will be feeling mighty sentimental!
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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 01:08:30 am »
D&B is correct, that color scheme is called Blue and White in both porcelain and stoneware.

And Flow Blue is "flowing blue", it is just not any piece of pottery or porcelain that is blue or dark blue and white. But ever since the old “flowing blue” pieces started bringing horrendous prices because of their scarcity ……… then dealers started calling any and everything “flow blue”.

Flow Blue pieces get their name because the blue pigment of the pattern would “flow” or bleed during the firing process. See pictures below.


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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 03:32:08 pm »
Cogar, those are beautiful examples of Flow Blue! 
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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2009, 04:33:55 am »
They are not mine, I just copied them from the net via Google "Images". But years ago my ex-wife did have 5 piece of Flow Blue. She is the one from whom I contacted that dreaded disease often referred to as Antique Pox. 

I just remembered I have a picture that was taken at Xmas time in 1981 which shows those Flow Blue pieces and me when I was younger and handsomer and will tell you a story about them which you might find interesting.

My brother, his wife and daughter (my niece), her husband and his Mom and Dad were at my home for an evening visit. The Dad looked at those Flow Blue pieces and said, “Those are pretty, but a little small compared to the dozens n’ dozens that that are on the mantles and stacked in cabinets all over the place on this old estate that I’m caretaker of.” Well now, the ex-wife who was an antiquer long before I met her, looked at him with disgust and disbelief as if to say …… “Don’t give me that BS because there is no way in ell you can be telling the truth.”

Well, to make a really long story short, he was telling the truth. He and my nephew-in-law were the caretakers of the Garvan Estate, … Kamp Kill Kare, …. which was about 5+ miles back in the woods near Raquette Lake, NY and he invited us up for a private “show n’ tell” but we couldn’t take any pictures. There were 21 buildings on the property, … including a small stone Catholic Church imported from Ireland, ….. all chocked full of everything you can imagine, most with inventory #’’s on them, …. including hundreds of pieces of Flow Blue, Redware and hand blown cobalt blue glassware. And that was not an exaggeration. Antiques dating back to the 1600’s ….. that an antiquer would almost “kill for”. Anyway, I heard later on that the heirs came in and “cleaned it out” and it took 17+ tractor-trailer loads to do it.

Anyway, here is that picture of me kneeling in front of the “replica” fireplace I had built. The teakettle on the left is not “floating” there in mid-air, it is hanging on a trammel.


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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2009, 10:43:11 am »
Great story, thanks for sharing!  I couldn't even imagine going into Garvan Estate with all of the collections....sens ory overload! 

Great fireplace...you built it yourself?  Talented!

Nice to see a pic of you!

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 02:31:29 am »
Thanks KC, and you are right, it was sensory overload. I can’t even begin to tell you what all I seen that day. It was literally like walking back into 1920. But I just hafta tell you about the most amazing thing I seen which was the bed in Mrs. Garvan’s private cabin. Her bed was probably 7’ wide and 9’ long with a headboard that was about 11’+ high and a footboard maybe 4’ high ….. and it was all constructed out of un-barked trees with their attached limbs, the typical Adirondack Furniture style. The 4 corner posts were actual tree trunks which were specifically selected so that the limbs on them could be bent and intertwined together to form the center portion of the headboard and footboard. It actually looked like a Walt Disney “creation” where an Evil Witch made the 4 trees grow themselves into a bed for her. An utterly amazing piece of workmanship.     

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 08:33:35 am »
Makes you wonder what happened to these wondrous things....probably in a private collection....
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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 08:44:10 am »
My surprise would have been the Adirondack Bed in and estate. all tho that rustic furniture has it's history here on the east coast. more commonly' found in cabin's.

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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 11:03:06 am »
With their prosperity they could have a home with every different style in it...one for each "mood they were in"!
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Re: J&G meakin flow blue pitcher and washbowl set
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 02:46:23 am »
Now I hate to tell you all this, but all of what I spoke of was supposedly the dregs of Mrs. Garvan’s collection, …. kinda like what us peon collectors would call a “box lot of junk”, …. that she shipped off to the North Woods to furnish their Summer camp with..

And KC, to ease part of your curosity .......

Supposedly …. Mrs. Garvan was heir to a Chase-Manhattan Bank fortune and an avid collector of antiques with her preference being Early American Furniture, …. many pieces of which were featured in books by Wallace Nutting. And I have seen a few of her pieces featured in The Magazine Antiques. And here is but one example of what happened to a lot of what Mr. and Mrs. Garvan collected, …. to wit:

Yale University Art Gallery features an outstanding collection of American furniture and decorative arts. Founded in 1832 the collection is one of the oldest college art museum collections in the nation.

Featuring approximately 18,000 objects in medium ranging from silver and glass to wood, porcelain, and textile, the Gallery’s American decorative arts collection is among the finest in the United States. Its particular strengths are in the colonial and early federal periods, due in large part to generous gifts from Francis P. Garvan, B.A. 1897.
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