Author Topic: Napoleon Wedding Goblet? - Greek Methology? Need your wisdom! UPDATED PICS (Read 6929 times)

dawg · « **on:** June 30, 2009, 02:47:37 am »

Nov 6th update**
I've put this item up for sale on ebay, started it @ $500 because I am still unsure of its value, so I guess its value is whatever someone pays for it lol
Just wanted to update you guys and thank you all for your comments on it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320445453459

*** UPDATED PICTURES***
<<CLICK THEM TO ENLARGE>>
http://www.dawgsays.com/pictures/goblet2.html
I hope these are clearer than the others. last time i had the goblet in one hand the camera in the other.. this time both were on solid surface
some are still blury =\
*** END OF UPDATE**

I've had this goblet for years now, passed on through family of a friend. The goblet is believed to be Napoleon's wedding goblet. The story I was told behind it, is that it was bought from a William Hearst auction, which he brought it from France to California. It was once appraised at around $115,000 about 10 years ago(I was told). Then, I went to a local free appraisal show and the guy said it was a reprint from the late 1980s. he said that there were 2 originally and one is in a museum in france & the other is unkown of its location. He appraised it at around$500(after looking at it for less than a minute, I was in a long line). My friend whom I received this from says there is no way this is a reprint as they remember it from before the 80s, at their grandmother's house. Recently their grandmother passed away & there were many items containing tags from the hearst sale.

So my questions are:
What is this thing & how much is it worth lol

I've posted more pictures of the goblet here:
http://www.dawgsays.com/pictures/goblet.html
I can take more pictures if needed.

other information:
There are 2 scenes & 2 potraits on the goblet
its about 5-6inches tall & about 4-5 inches wide.
appears to be hand painted
there is no signature on it, that I can see.

I have searched all over the internet for any picture of a goblet resembling this or any art that is the same, with no luck. Hoping someone here can help clear things up. every time I walk by this thing I wonder..

any input would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks!

Maybe the glass or art will be a give-away to someone. Hopefully!

D&b antiques · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:27:31 am »

I don't think this is the one that got away, I do believe it's ( french) more than likely Bohemian. french wedding cup's had two handles.

KC · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2009, 12:22:07 pm »

Totally agree with D&b! Is this enamel covered glass?

When I click on the pics to enlarge they are blurry so I can't help with the symbolism unless better pics are posted!

talesofthesevenseas · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2009, 12:39:19 pm »

Here is the contact info for the Nat'l Museum of the Bonapart Residence in Corsica. They may be able to help identify it one way or the other:
http://www.napoleon.org/en/magazine/museums/files/National_Museum_the_Bonaparte.asp

Good luck!

KC · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2009, 01:14:39 pm »

From what I can see of these pics they seem to represent the Greek goddess Artemis and her nymphs and possibly the handsome hunter Orion, who won her affections and was tricked into killing him by her brother Apollo.

dawg · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2009, 03:11:56 pm »

Bohemian Greek Mythology?
hmm, so this may not even be napoleon. interesting!
I really appreciate you all for commenting & look forward to more input, I will try to get some more clear pictures put up soon.
Does this appear to have any value? I know it is a beautiful piece, but do not have any clue to its true value and I can not afford to have it appraised.

regularjoe2 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:18:33 pm »

It looks like this is what I tend to think of as "mixed" (up) motif work .

There appears to be a Maypole ( images are blurry & I'm old ) in one image .

Looks like fairly recent item , to me .

I don't think Napoleon used this one .

KC · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:21:08 pm »

Don't believe it is a Maypole (showing your age). It appears to be a fountain....shows it empty and then with the unclad maidens in it!

regularjoe2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:36:27 pm »

Thanks KC !

I'll await clearer images of the unclad ladies ! -(not too old to understand that , though!)

KC · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:56:21 pm »

dawg · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:38:42 pm »

Updated the pics. hope they are better.. If not I will look for another camera or whatever I have to do to make it clearer. not only do I not know about antiques but I am also not a camera man! lol

oh yeah, if you didnt see above here are the updated pics:
click them to enlarge them!
http://www.dawgsays.com/pictures/goblet2.html

dawg · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:34:29 pm »

I have tried another camera, but that is the best I can do i believe. Hope more can come out of them

thank you everyone who has put some input in, i'm learning a little about it. I think! lol

regularjoe2 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:52:26 pm »

O.K. , now that I can see the nekkid girlies , my updated & revised guess is that your goblet is from Novy Bor area & might be High Enamel .

dawg · « **Reply #13 on:** July 01, 2009, 05:52:53 pm »

may I ask what brings you to the conclusion that it maybe from the "Novy Bor" area? do the nakid women remind you of someone? or? lol

regularjoe2 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:23:41 pm »

It's in the style of work from that area , dawg .

I'd have to check with a shrink 'bout the other question .

.... come to think of it , I was at Woodstock .....

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