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Dean Perdue

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Madonna Statue
« on: October 13, 2009, 02:35:09 pm »
This is a 9 1/2" statue and I'm interested in trying to find more out about the maker, markings, and possibly the age.
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« Last Edit: October 13, 2009, 03:10:48 pm by Dean Perdue »

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 04:41:10 pm »
Hmmm... I guess this is why there were no results when I googled Sacrakj.
I don't really understand either.Isn't this a item representing Christianity??

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 05:01:52 pm »
We may have to impose on our German expert Chris Marshall. have'nt seen him here lately because he's busy.but alway's welcome.

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 05:09:02 pm »
It looks to me like two words, SACRA meaning "Sacred" in Latin. Then x1 is perhaps some sort of a marking code. Notice how much smaller the x is than SACRA.
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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 05:33:34 pm »
Great info Tales.

Looked into this word some more and found this link about mauscripts that shows some abbreviations after the word Sacra.

http://www.skypoint.com/members/waltzmn/NominaSacra.html#Fn2

I thought, although a longshot, the 7th one down meaning 'the lord' might be a possibility.
Thanks for that input,as I don't think I could of ever figured that out without it.
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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 06:23:13 pm »
Looks to be a Hummel mark.....large bee inside a "V".  These marks can be dated here:

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:QqqLDpXQiXMJ:www.antique-hq.com/find-out-the-value-of-your-hummel-figurine-322+hummel+sacra+hm+33&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari


Still searching for the HM 33 reference  ;)

Though there's likely someone here who actually knows WHERE to look.  :D

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 06:49:05 pm »
Oops, maybe, maybe not.........

http://www.onlinecollectibles.com/dublerfigurines.htm

"During World War II the Nazi government did not allow the Goebel company to carry on production of Hummel figurines. During this period a New York firm known as Ars Sacra (a subsidiary of todays Ars Edition in Munich) produced a small collection of figurines very much like the original designs and others in the Hummel style, but not copying any particular design. Those that were Hummel copies usually bore a 5/8 x 1 inch foil sticker. They often also had "B. Hummel" and either "ARS SACRA" or "Herbert Dubler, Inc." associated with the signature. Either version was usually incised into the top or side of the base of the figurine. Frequently a copyright date also appears in the same area. In Wonsh's guide Hummel Copycats more than 20 of these Dubler figures are pictured. His research indicates the possibility that 61 of these figures were designed and perhaps made.

Most Dubler pieces were made of a chalk-like or plaster of paris-type substance, but a few were rendered in bronze and some have even been found cast in silver. They were ostensibly distributed in the United States by the Crestwick Company of New York. Crestwick later became Hummelwerk, an old U. S. distributing company owned by Goebel. They evolved to the present Goebel operations in the U. S.

Another name associated with Dubler was "Decorative Figurines, Inc." These figurines, also made of plaster of paris, were almost exact copies."


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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 07:11:21 pm »
Thanks for looking Sapphire.
At least I'm learning something here.

Heres a little closer photo of the marking
Trying to get a good photo showing the details in this small maker's mark isn't going too good as you can see.

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 07:35:48 pm »
Thanks Sapphire...I knew that looked like a Hummel marking...and also knew it wasn't a Hummel!

Knew there was more to the Sacra x1....but had to go with it at that time!  :)
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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2009, 07:40:50 pm »



The same, but not ??

Looks like a possible knockoff but still with some history. ;)

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2009, 08:05:21 pm »
White Madonna #45/0 Hummel

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rvr_id=1221649149&campid=5335880415&toolid=10001&ext=380166304390&type=2&item=380166304390#ht_600wt_941


Listed as Hummel Madonna HM 33

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320433228871#ht_500wt_1182


This is the only reference to HM 33 that I have found....... all other Madonna's listed as made by Hummel have a model/size mark as in the first link.

The appearance and the bee/V are deceptive.


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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 08:18:37 pm »
Sapphire Have I mentioned you rock,  If not you rock  ;D   Glad you are here.

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 08:29:48 pm »
 ;)  Just havin' fun ironlord

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Re: Madonna Statue
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2009, 08:53:16 pm »
Thanks for those links Sapphire.
So what are you thinking? Is this a hummel?

The bee logo is close but your comment on "the appearancebee/V being deceptive" and KC's mentioning "I knew that looked like a Hummel marking...and also knew it wasn't a Hummel" has me still unclear on that.Also not too sure what a HM33 is or stand for.

The 2 linked examples on ebay seem to have West Germany on them.Is it possible this example is before or after a W.Germany?