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elperronegro

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Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« on: January 21, 2010, 12:20:03 pm »
Whilst researching into my Cameron ancestry we have come across a heirloom kept by a distant relative. It is a snuff box that his family have always thought belonged to a family member who was present at the battle of Culloden.

It is engraved with the initials DC. Our own research suggests that an ancestor of ours called Donald Cameron (aged 16) was present at the battle. It is a horn snuffbox with silver and wood engravings.

Photos below. Confirmation of age or any other interesting information would be useful.



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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 12:43:00 pm »
VERY, VERY COOL!!! What a fantastic TREASURE your family has!! I've never seen one carved into an elephant like that it is wonderful and I would think with the provinance, it would be extremely desireable to collectors of militaria. However I hope that you will never let it leave the family!

What I would suggest is looking into obtaining copies of your ancestor's military records if you have not already done so. This would strengthen your claim and increase the value, or more importantly, help to verify it for your ancestor's descendants.

Can you provide a photo or two of the details of the hinge mechanism? My guess is that would be the best way to date your wonderful piece.
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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 04:46:58 pm »
     Nice Treasure, thanks for sharing.

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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 09:36:37 pm »
elperronegro, hope this helps a bit.


http://www.ramshornstudio.com/tobacco_boxes.htm

"Snuff taking trickled downwards through all classes of society in the 18th and 19th centuries.  Boxes were produced in a wide variety of materials to suit every one from royalty to the humblest folk. Today silver snuff boxes are still reasonably plentiful as are those fashioned in pewter and brass.  Brass snuff boxes are relatively inexpensive and can still be found on the market.  Wood, mother-of-pearl, ivory, paper mache and even leather were used in the manufacture of snuff boxes.  Sea shells, especially large cowries, were fitted with a silver rim and hinged lid.   Horn and bone were also popular, particularly in Scotland.  Such boxes might also be mounted with cairngorms or other semi-precious stones such as colorful agates.  Even polished cattle hooves were made into handsome snuff boxes with pewter or silver fittings by Scottish artisans.  Snuff is of course, ground tobacco, and was used nasally.  It was not chewed as is the custom in the US currently. Taking snuff in Scotland became popular in the early 17th Century, before it took hold in England. The association of the Scottish and French courts brought the habit to the northern kingdom soon after snuff made its appearance in Europe. By the 18th Century, it had become popular throughout the British Isles, and mills were set up to grind the tobacco around the country. Samuel Gawith and Gawith & Hogarth manufactured snuff in the north of England long before they became famous for their pipe tobaccos. Today nasal snuff or Scotch snuff as it is sometimes called is making a comeback in Europe.  For a pipe smoker like myself this is rather surprising as putting tobacco up my nose makes me shudder!  I once thought Scotch snuff was truly a thing of the past."


Silver, cairngorm and cow horn are exquisitely coupled to make this fine small mull.

"While snuff boxes are reasonably well known, they are only part of the culture of snuff taking.  Snuffs were portable boxes that were small and meant to be carried on the person.  The demand for snuff created the need for something bigger; when you consider the quantities used (Napoleon used over 80 pounds per annum, Lord Nelson packed large bundles of snuff for sea voyages), the need for table-top containers becomes clear.  Almost like a master salt, the snuff mull stood on the table or sideboard to serve all.  The snuff mull is a large sort of oversized snuff box.  The word Mull comes from a Scots dialect word for mill, the snuff having been ground in a mill to a powder, or meal very much like pepper is ground today. While these Mulls came in a variety of shapes, the most common are ram's horns mounted in silver or pewter. In addition to the horn mull, the entire ram's head, again with silver mounts, was sometimes used to create snuff mull.  These large mulls, sometimes mounted on wheels, contained very large quantities of snuff, and were often used by fraternal organizations or regimental messes. The various accoutrements associated with snuff (spoons, brushes, and the like) were sometimes attached by chains to the mull. (See photo below.)"


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« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 10:03:51 pm by sapphire »

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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 10:05:43 pm »
Very nice bingo , sapphire .
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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 10:25:02 pm »
Pretty good Bingo there!!!!

Did you notice the "Lot notes" on Christies' site?
"Lot Notes
COMPARATIVE LITERATURE:
Paula Hardwick, Discovering Horn, Lutterworth Press, Guildford Surrey 1981. A similar example is illustrated and discussed page 92. The latter example bearing the date 1821."
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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 11:49:30 pm »
Damn... I think you missed your calling as a researcher Sapphire!
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Re: Snuff Box that possibly dates back to battle of Culloden
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 01:35:29 am »
Wow. How interesting. Thanks very much for all the information. I'm going to pass all this on to my father and his family. I shall get them to take some photos of the hinge area too. Great help. Thanks to all.  :)