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regularjoe2

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 11:16:21 pm »
My guess is simply that a former owner did a bit of decoupage to protect/decorate/personalize the weapon .
Perhaps it was part of a rememberance of a former owner , attached after the weapon was retired ?

(The remnants of the paper seem to illustrate some boys in a scrap of some kind ......)

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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 12:02:54 pm »
Hosman 321 - A hundred years ago, you're right, there were probably no re-enactments, but on certain anniversary dates, memorial celebrations were held on the field (s) of battle. Usually 25 year anniversary, fifty year and so on.  I was fishing on Mine Creek one morning close to the battlefield and on my way back to my car saw something that had washed up out of the dirt.  Picked it up, it was a .45-70 BLANK casing.  Went home, got my metal detector, came back and found seven more in a straight line about six feet apart. I then knew these came from a ceremonial firing squad because they were blanks.  Almost a certainty they were fired from the 1873 Trapdoor Springfield. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 12:12:31 pm »
Great story Jondar. Neat that you were able to locate them still in place like that and to be able to understand what you had found! VERY cool! There are some neat old historic photos of the old Civil War reunions and newspapers would often carry stories about these reunions. I wonder if the archives of the local paper might have an old article? 
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2010, 12:25:55 pm »
sevenseas - I did do some research on this at the Kansas State Historical Museum and came upon a newpaper article from a Pleasanton, Kansas newpaper where a ceremony honoring Civil War soldiers was held in (I think) 1889.  This would have been twenty-five years after the battle.  No mention of a firing squad tho.  Pleasanton is a small town a mile or two from the battlefield and named after General Alfred Pleasonton (sic) a pretty famous Civil War general who participated in that battle.  Captain Frederick Benteen, the so called hero of the Battle of the Little Big Horn also participated there as a commanding officer of a Missouri Cavalry Regiment whose performance was a little less than inspiring. No fault of Benteen's tho.

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2010, 02:10:44 pm »
Jondar, I thought you would find this quote from an article describing a Civil War reunion of interest. I found it while researching my ancestors who were in Rogersville TN during the Civil War. While I realize that in modern times the Confederate flag is regarded as a symbol of oppression, it is clear that it had a much different meaning to the soldiers who fought under it, most of whom were not slave owners. It is an interesting look back at one of these reunions:

"...In the middle eighties there was a Confederate reunion at Rogersville, Tennessee, where I was living at that time. This was an East Tennessee affair, but many soldiers of the old Confederacy gathered there for the event. The speaker of the occasion was an eloquent Presbytertian minister, an ex-rebel soldier of the fearless type, Rev. Lynn Bachman, D.D. He spoke from the porch of the Old Female College building at the foot of the knobs east of town. Toward the close of his eloquent address the speaker referred most feelingly to the old flag - how the soldiers loved it and fought for it - how many had died under its folds, and how many were maimed for life in its defense, many of whom sat before him there with empty sleeves or dangling trousers leg. In this strain he talked a while and then drew from under his coat, a Confederate flag. It had been riddled with bullets, until there was not much of it left. He spread that flag before the crowd. Many of the old Rebs shouted. Many wept, and some laughed and some yelled. It was like the climax of an oldtime camp meeting when great jubilation was entirely in order and many joined in. Yes, the true soldier loved his flag."

(ROGERSVILLE REVIEW, August 25, 1932)
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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2010, 07:39:45 pm »
Yes, and those that bad-mouth that flag are just trying to stir up trouble.

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2010, 12:35:46 pm »
I posted our musket on a guns forum. Here's what they had to say so far, if anyone cares to follow.

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2010, 01:16:39 pm »
Is it just me or is the link invisible?

(Didn't someone say that about the Emperor's clothes once?!)
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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2010, 01:31:46 pm »
Can't you see the link, Tales?  I can see it plain as day.  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2010, 01:47:37 pm »
Hosman, this is an old post but now that I have read it again, the pic #13 really piques my interest.  Have you had this gun physically looked at by a gunsmith?  There is a thick brass liner? where the percussion nipple block should go.  This gun cannot be fired and I do not see any hole going into the breech end of the barrel, so I am thinking the brass block totally makes this gun inoperable.  Was this gun used in reenactments or something?

From Feb 2 post that i think I did not answer: And talesof, usually there are government inspector marks on the gun and guys did bring their own weapons into battle but guns were also restocked over the years. 

I would really like to read the link that hosman did or did not post that some of us can't see to read.  Emperor?  What Emperor?

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2010, 01:53:48 pm »
Oops, wonder where the link went. Let's try that again.
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=82075
I haven't taken it to a gunsmith, there's one a few towns over that deals in antique weapons. But it always wreaks of pot and alcohol so I'd rather not get advice from them lol
I'll find one, I guess I've just been lazy and reluctant to haul that huge thing around town.

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2010, 02:09:00 pm »
Link works great, hosman.  I still do not see how the gun could ever fire as there is no way for the ignition flash to get from a percussion cap to the powder inside the barrel.  The date is definitely 1843 on that lock. The second "8" does not look like the first but more like a "3" with almost closed curves.  JMO.

I have owned, fired, cleaned, and taken apart percussion muzzleloaders so I am familar with the lock firing mechanism.


"This gun with the 1843 lock dating and 1845 barrel dating falls within the Mexican War period as well as the Civil War period."  http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=7609
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2010, 02:26:33 pm »
Item No.:  4738  Price :  $1,595.00 
Item :  FINE ATTIC SPRINGFIELD US MODEL 1816 PERCUSSION CONVERSION MUSKET   
Description : 
.69 Caliber Smoothbore Percussion Conversion of Model 1816 Flintlock Musket. This was done by the "Arsenal" Method of putting a cone into the barrel and replacing the Flint Hammer with a large percussion hammer. Nice light brown smooth patina overall. Crisp markings with 1837 dated lock and barrel. Lock needs two flat fill screws for filling the old flintlock spring holes, otherwise a fine nearly perfect lock. Fine smooth iron furniture including the original sling swivels and button tipped ram rod. Smooth bore, excellent mechanics. Excellent oil finished stock with clear oval Springfield cartouche at the left flat. These muskets served throughout the Civil War and in tight quarters, loaded with buck and ball they were devastating. 


Item No.:  4777  Price :  $1,895.00 
Item :  FINE HARPERS FERRY US MODEL 1816 PERCUSSION CONVERSION MUSKET   
Description : 
.69 Caliber Smoothbore US Military Musket. Arsenal conversion to percussion. 1841 Dated lock and barrel tang. Thhis was one of the last of Harpers Ferry M1816's. Crisp markings.Smooth steel gray patina overall, Excellent oil finished stock with sharp edges on lock mortise and flats. "JAS" inspectors initials on left flat. Fine smooth bore and strong, excellent mechanics. Original sling swivels and ram rod

Both from
http://www.csarms.com/

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2010, 02:32:37 pm »
Hosman, you have a great piece of history.  The musket you have is a percussion conversion similar to the last 2 pics I posted.  There should be a "nipple" on the top part of the barrel where the hammer would fall.  It is not evident in any of your pics so either it is missing or is not visible in your pics.  Your gun originally started out as a Model 1816 flintlock musket and was converted to percussion, probably in 1843 (the lock date) or shortly thereafter.  It could have been used in the Civil War, Mexican War, or no war (sold as surplus and used by civilians).  Rifles in nice shape are going for $1600-1900 so yours at $400 or so was good.       

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Re: Civil War Era Musket
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2010, 02:33:28 pm »
My husband and I keep going back and forth on the "3" or "8" thing. lol
In your second picture, there's a date on the top. Mine doesn't have a date there. Where the date would be appears to be cut out and it's a plain piece of metal in it's place. But where it shows the markings, in the same pic, I found a tiny "V" on my musket with other marks below it. Just like the pic. I can see the "V" but the other marks may be pitting. There is so much grime and so much pitting on mine that it's hard to tell. I never would have seen them. I really don't want to clean it. I don't know what I'm doing. I suppose I could use a Q-tip though and clean the tiny area with the markings. But I wouldn't know what to use.
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