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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 10:18:06 pm »
Welcome to the forum Rich!  ;D

Hmmm... I think I can at least eliminate three of the suggestions that you had before.

1. A snuff box or bottle would have to have a compartment to hold the snuff. With the pad in there, this would be impossible.

2. & 3. Mourning lockets and sentimental hair jewelry would have a glass window behind which to view the lock of hair. If you had a lock of hair in this and opened it on a windy day... POOF!!

I've been pondering the possibility of it being a purse hanger handbag hook all day and have tried in vain to find anything with a similar design. No luck. However, looking at other designs, it looks like it MIGHT be possible. If you open the box, put the rubber pad face down on the table top with the lid hanging off the edge of the table and the chain and V-hook dangling, can it actually support a small amount of weight? I would not attempt to hang anything more than a few ounces on this. Maybe a few washers on a rubber band to see if it holds, or slides off the table. But I think this is one you could test, very carefully, to see if it is possible.

Any kind of secret society or men's club may be really tough to research. But I think if you contacted a Masonic order that they could at least tell you if it is or is not Masonic in origin. That would be another big step in the right direction.

Also if you found this in an abandoned house, I think you did it a favor by rescuing it, if it had been lost and left behind. So don't feel bad!






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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 11:54:01 pm »
Not a snuff box!

Not for mourning to hold hair or non-mourning to hold hair.

The crown has a cross on it that is used most commonly on eastern celtic/gaelic, traditional eastern orthodox, ancient Greek and German.

It logically could be a purse hanger and could work fine as one....however is rather small and weak for one.  They typically wouldn't have been around in the 1940's to early 50's.  Some did come around in the 70's. 

I have a few ideas to feel out on this one!!!!!

« Last Edit: March 12, 2010, 11:56:35 pm by KC »
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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 11:59:06 pm »
A purse hanger sounds reasonable but with the chain , this does not get the purse's weight under the pad where it is needed to work properly if used on a flat surface.  Maybe it was made to work with the box partially opened on a chair back (one that had wood slats)?  It might then hold a purse or a hat.   I think the hanger aspect is one to pursue. Maybe along the lines KC suggested the cross on the crown reflects. Still an object of great wonderment and pondering.


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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 09:32:41 am »
The crown and laurel wreath symbols are so apparent in antique/vintage items in my favorite style of all styles.  Here is just one example in sterling.....Just throwing this out there to get the creative juices flowing more!

http://www.malleries.com/antique-950-french-sterling-silver-box-w-3-miniature-portraits-on-ivory-and-gems-i-26693-s-114.html?images=true&mall1SID=3a0ecd56b9f678a32ea359b2a7075317#img3

Rich - what year would you have found this?  Possibly the gentleman had been in WW2 in France and brought it back.

Are there any small scratches from wear on the inside of the V (wreath) at the top inside?
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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 12:51:54 pm »
This appears to me to be St. Edward's Crown.

http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/St._Edward's_Crown





Notice the inclusion with several of the British crowns of the wreath/laurel throughout this site.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/crowns.htm

  St. Edward's Crown
Guelphic Crown


Lost track of the site I was reading that made mention of the fact that items which included these symbols were awarded, not
mass produced and sold.

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 03:06:00 pm »
This 'thing' has really been bugging me.  Seemed like it should be something 'personal', so went through and tossed out the ideas of........

Boothook
Buttonhook
'Clasp' for holding a cape closed (through button holes, think old style sweater clip)
Hook for lacing boots

and then this thought came to me......could it be a 'toothpick' ??

Obviously small enough to be discreet, has a hooked shape similar to
a couple of the examples below and it really isn't large/strong enough to be useful in many other ways.

http://elitechoice.org/tag/antique/page/6/

"A small solid gold implement reckoned as the combination of toothpick and earwax spoon was identified while looking for a marooned Spanish galleon Santa Margarita that sank in a 1622 hurricane. Blue Water Ventures officials disclosed that divers discovered this 385-year-old toothpick after diving in 22 feet below the surface and 40 miles west of Key West. It is expected to be valued at more than $100,000.

Archaeologists believe this 3-inch-wide; 17th-century grooming tool was almost certainly worn on a gold chain."


http://www.orkney-antiques.co.uk/items/751044/item751044store.html

"This is a stunning Victorian combination Vesta or matchsafe, dating to around 1876, & containing a Sovereign holder, a stamp holder, a propelling pencil, & a toothpick or cigar piercer."



http://www.derby.gov.uk/LeisureCulture/MuseumsGalleries/TudorToothpickEarscoop.htm

"A 16 - 17 Century silver toothpick / earscoop. The sickle shaped pick - bent out of shape - emerges from the body of a stylised dragon and the earscoop from the mouth as if it were the dragons tongue. The body of the dragon is marked with scales. At the top of the body is a suspension loop."



http://www.silvercollection.it/pagina198.html

"this is an Edwardian retracting silver toothpick made in Birmingham in 1909 by silversmith W.V.&S.
The small case containing the retracting device is fully engraved with floral motifs. It is 1 1/2 in. long (cm. 4) when closed and 2 in. when opened (cm. 5)."



http://www.georgianindex.net/gent/quizzing_glass.html

"Silver toothpicks were commonly carried in the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries. They could be quite elaborate with a jewel on the end like the example shone here."



http://www.rubylane.com/shops/cachetantiques/item/CA854

Toothpick brooch.



http://www.rubylane.com/shops/chainsawchuck/item/01508

"Of elephant ivory, 1 5/16" closed, 2 13/16" fully opened. Three long triangular picks swing out at one end for light-duty after-dinner mop-up, the other end is mounted with a heavier stationary carved claw for dealing with serious clean-up.
180 years ago, unless you were a peasant working the fields, using a straw or a whittled twig wasn't considered proper hygienic etiquette when prying old sweetmeats from your dentures. A person with any class at all would always have one of these nifty little gizmos in a waistcoat pocket!

Instead of being hand-sawn, a shaped steel punch was used to cut the handles and the three picks from a thin sheet of ivory (as can be deduced when using magnification to view the slightly crushed edges of these parts). Since the hooked and pinned spacer at one end was too thick to punch, it was shaped with a traditional jeweler's saw."



http://www.bexfield.co.uk/98/1pistol1.htm

"Victorian silver "pistol" toothpick..
Made by Sampson Mordan, circa 1850. Length 1.25" (4cm)."
Price £345.00

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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 05:26:08 pm »
I'll add my lame-ish guess that it may have originated as a war-time honoraria item .

The laurel breloque & crown diadem suggest to me something like a fealty chain w/locket-box .

Perhaps from Leopold militaria ?

Can't really see wearmarks from the images but ....

Maybe it's a "church-key" ? ;D ;D
The chain seems more modern-ish to me ...
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2010, 06:15:47 am »
The Laurel Wreath

Exerted from:  http://www.sandiego.edu/about/history/seal.php

"In the upper left quadrant, there is a laurel wreath, which was part of the seal of the San Diego College for Women. The laurel wreath challenges us to excellence. It was conferred as a mark of honor and glory in ancient times on poets, heroes and victors in athletic contests. The person who received the laurel was not only recognized for excellence, but also for honor, justice and truth. The laurel crowns the person who is the very best. It is not a symbol of good intention, noble goals or fine thoughts, rather it is the mark of achievement."

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2010, 10:10:05 am »
Possibly cogar is on the right track...

At Connecticut College members of the junior class carry a laurel chain, which the seniors pass through during Commencement. It represents nature and the continuation of life from year to year. Immediately following commencement, the junior girls write out with the laurels their class year, symbolizing they have officially become seniors and the cycle will repeat itself the following spring.
From my.com/topics/Laurel_wreath+half-laurel+wreath+on+a+chain&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:piRyU8RVHroJ:www.absoluteastrono my.com/topics/Laurel_wreath+half-laurel+wreath+on+a+chain&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 10:52:35 am »
Wayward, I couldn't get your link to work.

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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 11:02:57 am »
I agree that it is something personal....

Hope the RichM fella answers where ther are any scratch marks (wear marks) on the inside of the laurel at the top!  That will put out a few things i the running.

If that was a toothpick (he said there were no broken parts) that would be mighty awkward and painful!  BUT again....on a good track to try and resolve this!

The hunt is on................. ............
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Re: What is it brought over from Craigslist
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 11:25:39 am »
As of now, I would have to agree with regularjoe on this one. An honorary pendent of sorts seems most likely to me.

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 11:47:51 am »
7seas try this one...http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Laurel_wreath and go down to Academic use.  I do not know what is missing from the previous link but something did not copy.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 12:24:42 pm »
Got it, thanks! I wonder if it could be an academic achievement award and that the chain's only function is just to keep the award from being separated from the box. I sure wish we could find even a remotely similar example though to give Rich some kind of confirmation of what it is.
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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2010, 12:59:24 pm »
Well, without the chained laurel wreath, my guess on the box would be a stamp box due to its' small size.  I have just looked at a gazillion antique and collectible stamp boxes and none had a chained laurel wreath thing or even anything close so scratch that idea.

The 'V' shape of the laurel wreath is an older and usually foreign origin laurel wreath use and also is used to signify a Master's degree.  Maybe this is a British (due to the embossed crown)academic award of some sort.   Any users from the UK want to weigh in on this object that is a complete mystery so far?