Author Topic: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque  (Read 15017 times)

irration4l

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Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« on: April 02, 2010, 07:57:45 am »
Hello everyone. I am totally green in antiques, and thus am asking for your kind help. I have got a porcelain plaque, witch I am thinking on selling. However, I do not have any info on it and neither the ability to evaluate it's price.

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The writing on the back says "Biggs & Sons. Carvers, Gilders and picture restorers. 31 Conduit st Bond street, London. looking glasses supplied, old frames reoilt".

From that I have found out this on the the internet:
William Biggs, Biggs & Sons, Biggs & Son, W.H. Biggs & Co, from 1835: William Biggs (c.1797-1851) and his wife, Charlotte Elizabeth, had four sons christened at St Pancras Old Church between 1825 and 1833, including William Joseph in 1825, Alfred in 1827 and Henry in 1828, and two further sons, George c.1834, and Walter c.1835. William Biggs was listed in the 1841 census as a carver and gilder, and again in 1851 when his age was given as 54. He died later that year, leaving instructions in his lengthy will for his business to be carried on under certain conditions, and making bequests including to William Joseph Biggs.

The partnership between his widow, Charlotte Elizabeth, and their sons, William Joseph and Alfred, trading as Biggs & Sons, carver and gilder, printseller, dealer in pictures and drawings was dissolved on 1 January 1857, in so far as regards William Joseph (London Gazette 23 January 1857). William Joseph appeared before a court for insolvent debtors later that year (London Gazette 4 December 1857). In the 1881 census, William J. Biggs, age 53, was listed as an auctioneer.

Alfred Biggs was listed at 31 Conduit St in the 1861 census as a carver and gilder, employing six men and one boy; his household included his mother, Charlotte, and his two brothers George and Walter, both listed as commercial travellers. Alfred and his mother, Charlotte Elizabeth, carvers and gilders of 31 Conduit St, were subject to debt proceedings in 1868 (London Gazette 4 August 1868). In the 1871 census, both Alfred and Walter Biggs were listed in the same household as carvers and gilders.

Walter Henry Biggs advertised as W.H. Biggs, picture framemaker, established in 1795 (The Artists' Directory, 1874, p.10) and as W.H. Biggs & Co, picture restorers, picture framemakers, carvers, gilders and decorators (no author, but Charles H. Savory, The Illustrated Carver and Gilder's Guide..., 1st ed, ?1874). W.H. Biggs & Co had an account with the artists' colourmen, Roberson, 1878-82, from 7 Maddox St (Woodcock 1997). In the 1881 census, Walter H. Biggs, was listed as a fine art dealer, age 45. Walter Henry Biggs, trading as W.H. Biggs & Co, picture dealer, picture framemaker and carver and dealer, of 7 Maddox St, entered into liquidation arrangements in 1883 (London Gazette 9 January 1883). In the 1891 census he was listed as an auctioneer and valuer.

Can anyone find more information and estimate the price of this object? Thank you all in forward  :)

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 09:41:22 am »
You seem to have a lot of information there already. To determine value you should take it to antique dealers and auction houses and get some feedback from them. They are the ones that know the dollars and cents. See if there is something like it on ebay. I'm sure that others here will find similar pieces for sale here and there. They are really good at that. It looks like it could be a valuable piece if it is authentic. Very nice.

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 10:49:30 am »
Very nice antique item , irration41 .
Thanks for posting all the clear images !

The only thing that appears to be non-antique is the attached hanger .

The mystery that exisits , in my opinion , is who made the item within the frame .

I wouldn't remove the backing to find out , at this point in time , as doing so really might devalue the 'complete unit' as it stands (not always the case , though) .

Could you please post the dimentions of the plaque ?
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 01:41:04 pm »
Agree....the hanger doesn't go along with the piece!
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 06:03:59 pm »
Thanks for the answers. Even though I have not much knowledge about this type of stuff, the hanger also seemed inappropriate to me...

It measures 36cm in length and 30 cm in width.

"The mystery that exisits , in my opinion , is who made the item within the frame ."

That's exactly my thoughts. Since the company that framed this artpiece worked as restorers, this might be even older than the 19th century. However, I can't even imagine how to get any more info on it...

Would removing the hanger be for better or for worse?
« Last Edit: April 02, 2010, 06:15:50 pm by irration4l »

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 06:10:39 pm »
As to the hanger , I'd just leave it as-is , for the moment , unless you're the one who's attached it .

I think your porcelain is worth researching a little bit .... perhaps Chris M. (a porcelain expert) might just drop by the forum & weigh in on this one  .

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 09:13:31 am »
Don't worry about the hanger. We have a painting that was painted in 1893 and just had it cleaned and repaired along with the frame. They put new hanger wire on it and metal clips to hold the painting in the frame and the painting is more valuable now than before.

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 12:14:10 pm »
I wouldn't remove it!!!!!
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 02:02:30 pm »
Just wondering if you know for sure that it is porcelain. One of my books shows several porcelain plaques but they are all painted. There are a few plaques that look similar to yours but are made of ivory and are unpainted. The color is very close to yours.

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 11:44:49 pm »
This is interesting....Acco rding to the National Portrait Gallery ("Founded in 1856, the aim of the National Portrait Gallery, London is ‘to promote through the medium of portraits the appreciation and understanding of the men and women who have made and are making British history and culture, and ... to promote the appreciation and understanding of portraiture in all media". http://www.npg.org.uk/about/organisation.php

Samuel Pearse 1826-1834, Pearse & Biggs 1834-1835, William Biggs 1835-1852, Biggs & Sons 1853-1856, Biggs & Son 1857-1868

http://www.npg.org.uk/research/conservation/directory-of-british-framemakers/h.php?searched=John+Harris+Biggs&highlight=searchHighlight+searchHighlight1+searchHighlight2+searchHighlight3   So, if yours is truly by Biggs & Sons it was done prior to 1857!
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2014, 03:00:34 pm »
Hello. Have get any more information about the price of this ? I have same kind of thing but its bigger and there is 4 angels..

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2014, 03:13:51 pm »
Have you tried contacting a museum near you?
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2014, 03:51:19 pm »
Hello. Have get any more information about the price of this ? I have same kind of thing but its bigger and there is 4 angels..

Have you any images of yours ? The original post was over three years ago

Would have like to have examined them. Might be parian plaques and therefor could be a few hundred dollars + a piece. Likely to be good quality due to the frame manufacturer

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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 12:54:53 pm »
Here few pictures. And no I haven't yet asked from museum...
And the size is about 60x50cm.
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Re: Help on info and possible price on a porcelain plaque
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 02:58:55 pm »
ok I just gotta say it, which angel--the one on the bed or the pictures....she's a cutie.