Barrel Orchestrion - Theodor Behrend Kiel. - Any help??

[sapphire]

Some more Kaufmann orchestrions....... ..(including the one above)

http://clasate.cimec.ro/lista.asp?order=Autor_Emitent&OT=DESC&psearch=kaufmann&Submit=GO&psearchtype=



OK, off to bed......gonna be a short one tonight I think 

[jsrid]

How about that,

thats some great work there sapphire, so it seems incredibly likely that this is an eldorado orchestrion.

Its freaky how similar they look to my grandfather's, thats a wonderful help, thank you

[sapphire]

OMG I got up this morning and was trying to figure out how I got on that Eldorado track. Figured lack of sleep
was catching up, til I remembered I saw on the end of the barrel in one of your videos.....Eldorado XII maybe?

Just realized I posted the tour dates for Metheny in the US and you're in Australia!  That was totally helpful of me

Next time I post I'll try to be a little more awake

[sapphire]

Some more bits and pieces......

http://antiquemusicbox.110mb.com/ordbo.htm

"In detailed chapters, Mr. Ord-Hume outlines the steps in the restoration of barrel organs and player organs, as well as including a list of makers, agents, and patentees, and tuning scales for mechanical organs. Catalogues of player organs, show organs, and Flight and Robson auctions are treated in separate sections."

Under List of Figures.....
64. Kaufmann's Chordaulodion
65. Kaufmann's Orchestrion
66. Kaufmann's Acoustic Cabinet in Dresden

AND it's available at the Nat'l Library of Australia 

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1689296?lookfor=author:%22Ord-Hume,%20Arthur%20W.%20J.%20G.%20(Arthur%20Wolfgang%20Julius%20Gerald)%22&offset=7&max=9

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http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/w-l-william-lines-hubbard/the-american-history-and-encyclopedia-of-music--volume-5-ala/page-77-the-american-history-and-encyclopedia-of-music--volume-5-ala.shtml

"Kaufmann (kowf'-man), Friederich.
1785-1866.

An inventor of musical instruments;
was born and died at Dresden. He
first brought out the belloneon in
1808, a trumpet-automaton, and later
constructed the chordaulodion, the
claviatur-harmonichord and the sym-
phonion. By improving the last
named instrument his son, Friedrich
Theodor (1823-1872), finally produced
the present form of orchestrion. "

[fancypants]

Very nice research , sapphire !

Hats off to you !

 

[jsrid]

Sapphire, I am in your debt.

That research is excellent. I've been able to get a number of results looking up Friedrich Theodor and I think you've got it spot on. I think you've pretty much opened the flood gates, even the german Wiki has a hit for him

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrion&ei=8PpATK7sB4GGvAONm6jYDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCYQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DFriedrich%2BTheodor%2Borchestrion%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26as_qdr%3Dall%26prmd%3Dbo

From what I can tell, this dates the orchestrion at 1851-1853 or thereabouts, which is slightly older than our original guesses.

Along with that, I've contacted the authors of both of the youtube videos that are of similar Eldorado Orchestrions to see if they themselves have managed to gather any info on the piece.

I think its all starting to come together, thanks greatly for the help, I'll keep everyone updated

 

[KC]

Very nice sapphire!

Sorry I have been out of pocket the past 2 days traveling.  Now in Hawaii for a couple of weeks!  Aloha!