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sapphire

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Potlifter or Knuckles?
« on: July 07, 2010, 06:00:52 pm »
Came up with a more interesting shot, still not quite the same but cool kitchen 'helpers'


"The Pot Lifter / Multi-Tool Collection    Here is an interesting collection of early tools that could be found in the kitchen of yesteryear.  We have been buying such things for many years, and they are genuinely hard to come by after you get the first one or two more common varieties.  These are another example of the 100 year rule of collectibles in action, as we use to see them out and about, and now have not added a new one to this collection in several years.  The last came with a collection of trivets we bought a while back.  I do not expect to ever find one in a shop or at a show anymore.  They just do not come out at the garage sale for those dealers to buy so they can offer them up in their wares.  They are one of the most graphic and yet simple of all the types of tools found in the early kitchen.  I love the way today we are offered devices for the kitchen that will do a host of jobs, i.e. radios with can openers, coffee grinders, knife sharpeners etc all rolled up into one package, and all designed to last no more than a couple of years if actually used.  Well that was not the intent or purpose when these devices were introduced, they were built to last and they have.  It was truly a matter of space and convenience that these were developed and offered to the lady of the house back then.  People simply did not have 500 sq ft kitchens and 60 ft. of upper and lower cabinets to store all their possessions.  There was one cabinet and 1 stack of drawers and a limited amount of space available in that top drawer in most kitchens from that era.  Some of these have so many intended uses that you can lose count trying to figure it out.  Devices such as these made sense, sometimes, and even if they didn't, today they sure make for a great collectible to hang on one of those empty spaces in that oversize kitchen you have.

Good + . . . . . $395.00         SOLD!  "




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Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 07:02:10 pm »
You know what, after looking at these and remembering a past post that looked like brass knuckles, maybe that was a pot lifter?

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Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 07:07:28 pm »
Just wanted to say sorry for the post hijacking tales, ooops! Your bowls are still prettier than my pot grabber-picker-upper-thing.  :)

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Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 08:11:46 pm »
Yes tales, we certainly took your thread right off track!  Sorry about that.

Wayward that what those reminded me of too.....maybe a double duty tool, pot lifter/hubby wacker ?  ;)

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Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 08:21:24 pm »
First image cropped and rotated......appear s to have the two 'hooks' showing in the second pic, originally posted by DizE

http://www.antique-shop.com/forums/index.php?topic=6799.0


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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 08:42:45 pm »
Sorry for the hijack Tales, but one thing leads to another and this is just too good.  So the knuckles and the pot lifter are the same.  The BIG question is what is right?  This is the description from one of the links on DizE's thread..."Rare Unique Knuckles
This very rare set of knuckles is pictured in the book, " Cowboy Culture " by Michael Friedman on page 169. Made of cast iron and in excellent condition.
Price: $735.00" The pic is at the bottom...

Could the Cowboy Culture book have a mistake and it really is a pot lifter.  Or did the chuck wagon cook crack a cowboy over the head as he was about to lift a pot off the cookstove and they became forever known as "rare unique knuckles"?

Pretty expensive pot lifter but a bargain for "rare unqiue knuckles."  ;D
« Last Edit: July 07, 2010, 11:29:40 pm by waywardangler »

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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 09:18:31 pm »
Another interesting quote....

"So, speaking of Knuckles, it sure is difficult to find much information about the history of these non-lethal/lethal weapons. Maybe that's why I have recently found two sets of unique knuckles and both were mis-identified by the sellers (antiques dealers in San Antonio, Texas and Siren, Wisconsin)."

(taken from the link supplied by winffup regarding the 'brass knuckles')

http://frontiergambler.blogspot.com/2009/06/brass-knuckles-aka-knuckles.html

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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 10:23:46 pm »
The blog refers to this site,

http://www.oldwestantiques.biz/page23.php

which in turn refers to

This YouTube video and book:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-C87nDSA_ubs/classic_knuckle_dusters_brass_knuckles_www_knuckledusterbook_com/

And although the ones on the Old West Antiques site look like the "pot lifters", watch the whole video. They do not look like the pot lifters at all.
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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 03:37:02 am »
I think it is misnamed and should be called "Pot-Lid Lifter".

The hook with the long curved projection or .... the long curved projection with the hook ...... would/should work just fine for lifting those old cast iron lids off of a hot pot, skillet or kettle.

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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 03:51:45 am »
We'll have to ask tales if she used one to take the coffee pot off the fire while they waited to rob that train.  ;)

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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 11:02:03 am »
 :D :D :D :D

Good one Sapphire! After looking at the "knuckles" in the video, I think I'm with Cogar that the piece posted earlier is a pot lifter and that the folks at Old West Antiques are probably mistaken. Looks like those pot lifters could do some serious damage though if anyone were ever to insult Ma's cookin'!
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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 01:51:54 pm »
Totally agree about the pot lifter - and it could be used to hold the pot lid in a slightly lifted position to let steam escape without the cook having to stand and hold it!
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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 02:22:44 pm »
I say pot-lifter as well.  The construction of the piece just doesn't look comfortable, for use as a brass knuckle.  The purpose of brass knuckles, as I understand it, is to add more structure to one's own hand as well as to do more damage to one's opponent -- with the structure thing being slightly more important.  In the video you can see through the demonstrations that the bulkiest part of each brass knuckle he shows is held in the palm, with only rings of metal (or in one case, rings plus a few spikes) showing. 

With that in mind, I don't see how this could comfortably be worn to provide structure to the palm/fist. 

On the other hand, the pot-lifter looks like it's much more than just a pot-lifter! -- looks multi-purpose to me.  A couple of those smaller hooks look like they could open cans or bottles, or the lids of crates.  What could that ....er....brush-looking edge be for, I wonder?

Just musing!

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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 03:34:48 pm »
Additionally, aren't knuckles usually worn concealed inside a glove? I think that it kind of defeats the purpose of knuckles to have all the excess slasher stuff. If you're not going to conceal the knuckles, you may as well bring a regular weapon.
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Re: Potlifter or Knuckles?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2010, 04:20:25 pm »
Due to the fact that I'm feeling a bit contrary , I don't want to get on the knuckle-duster/pot-lifter bus .

At my first glance , I though the design was (function & leverage-wise) very much like a tie-rod/turnbuckle adjuster .

As CuriousCollector noted , the 'knobby/serrated/whatever' portion of the tool is not congruent with a 'lid-lifter' .

A longish stick , or one with a hook would better serve the purpose of a fire/cooking tool .

It does seem like it could be used for rope-rigging & bustin' open casks & barrels & such ....even some fencing or hide-skining too .

I'm undecided , so far , on what exactly this item was designed for .

Knuckle-dusters are used outside of gloves , with the exception of modern lead shot-filled gloves .
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