Fake ?

[greenacres]

It has been sitting in a cabinet since. I spoke with Elfreth's Alley Museum and there was never a commerical mug made like this, as a tourist item.

[Ipcress]

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2597558

That's 19th century and without the glaze to the base, there's obvious signs of ageing.

Your mug looks very ' fresh ' on the base.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say 20's / 40's

[greenacres]

I have to find a maker. There was a Jewish family that lived in the house back then. I researched that part. I can't seem to find the maker.

[greenacres]

I just wanted to keep these two together if anyone wants to see the mug who hasn't. mart, here we go, lol. Want to hear BigWull's two cents, lol.

[greenacres]

I think it's not a fake. The Cline's lived in the house in1850's.

[bigwull]

I,d give you my tuppence worth....but everytime i try to open one of your pics...nowt happens...and i can,t see a joob joob,,,

[Ipcress]

I think it's not a fake. The Cline's lived in the house in1850's.

See i'm not sure what you mean by ' fake '. You mean someone made it with the intention of deceiving people it was made whilst he was alive ?

I think it's commemorative. Possibly made to celebrate 100 or 200 years of his birth or by someone studying him -  school teachers lived in that residence. I'd still be very surprised if it was mid 19th century. Even the style is wrong

[KC]

That's exactly what I believe it is...a commemorative piece!!!  A keeper!  It has sentimental VALUE, historical VALUE and intrinsic VALUE!!!

[greenacres]

BigWull look at page 3. I wrote back to the women to ask if the Cline family could have been the owner's. They lived in the house in the 1850's. Then I sent her a picture of the inside of the mug also.

[greenacres]

Fake as in newer. She said it still has historical value. I not sure what value is!

[Ipcress]

Fake as in newer. She said it still has historical value. I not sure what value is!

Well for me this is more than a hobby - i've been working at auction houses for 13 years - and something like this is quite tricky. Were this just a c1900 mug by an unknown or uncelebrated potter with that message on the side, i think it would be estimated at £60-100 or £80-120 - classic auction house estimates for items that can go either way.
 However, the provenance here is very interesting, even if ultimately unproveable. I think it's worth more than that and i would be researching the residents at the relevant places - it's not information that will be readily available on the internet. There's a paragraph on that page which mentions a few names but little background.
I'd be in a library or museum researching this.

Even if not as old as we hope, if it originated from that street then it's a wonderful thing.

[greenacres]

I'll try to research the family itself.

[greenacres]

John FredK Cline came to Philadelphia in 1732. He was 20 years old.

[mart]

You said it was inside the wall of the house ??  When was the house built and was the wall intact ?? Unless being repaired not much way to put it inside except at construction !! Or a hiding place was  made for valuables ??

[greenacres]

Ann Cutis who was a teacher may have had a husband Henry W. Curtis, potter 122 Swanson st. We never heard of it. Have to check