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POWDER HORN
« on: February 22, 2011, 05:14:58 am »
Hi all
i need some help from the military specialists.
i have a powder horn that i bought at auction & i have for sale on ebay but would like to add info about the scrimshaw work & the regiment.
It is British looks 18thC
thanks

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170607004680&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_988wt_883

Apologies for ebay link but tried to upload photos without success
« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 05:21:47 am by gingertomantiques »

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 05:50:24 am »
think ive sorted the pics

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 07:03:42 am »
Neato, a self measuring powder horn. Never seen one before now.

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 08:23:14 am »
This looks more like a horn for holding lead shot to me, especially with that brass measurer attached.  I have seen that brass measuring attachment usually on leather shot bags.  Very nice looking horn. What unscrews so you can fill it?
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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 09:45:09 am »
the barrel measure unscrews leaving the ring which is riveted to the horn. i think it is for powder as the front divider appears to be missing ( see hole on arm above front slot ) & the base is copper which was used with powder as it will not spark causing ignition. also lf lead shot then would be a hunting horn so would expect a none military scrimshaw design.






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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 10:13:20 am »
The brass valve on your horn is typically used for shot and not powder.  The powder would leak out from the cutoff slots.  See http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartList.aspx?catID=1&subID=17&styleID=77 for new reproduction English style chargers.  Scrimshaw on a horn can depict anything the owner favored and was not restricted to what the horn's purpose was.

You have a nice horn, gingertomantiques.  Most shot holders are leather bags or pouches.

The pic below is a new English style shot charger valve.

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 12:19:25 pm »
Wow. My hubby is drooling.
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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 01:05:46 pm »
thanks wayward - any body know the regiment

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 02:52:11 pm »
If it were a Regimental Crest, should it not have a motto?

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 03:15:11 pm »
Mario, not necessarily.  I did some looking around earlier today and saw some similar designs but could not find one with three cannons.  I think the crown is Queen Victoria which puts it before 1901.  I also was focusing mainly on horse artillery batteries which I think it comes from.  the one site that I thought would be good, I had a lot of problems with and all pics were red 'X' out. The site was diggerhistory. I cannot find a British site that has images of all the crest types.  I have had much better luck researching US military emblems.

The other thing I found odd was all three cannons face right.  In almost all images with cannons from British units, the cannons face left (gunners badges face right) or are 2 crossed cannon barrels. I have no idea what that significance is.

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 03:42:01 pm »
I tried searching for guns, cannons, carronades, cannonades and had no luck finding an insignia like this.
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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 03:47:49 pm »
I found a Royal Australian Army Corps crest with 3 cannons but it also has 3 cannon balls.  http://www.raaoc.asn.au/?q=node/43

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 03:49:58 pm »
Hmmm, the scrimshaw on the horn has 4 cannon balls around the circumference of the circle. Wrong crown but cannons are the right type so this horn could date to 1823.
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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 04:05:49 pm »
Getting closer...Royal Army Ordnance crest maybe...

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Re: POWDER HORN
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 04:16:55 pm »
thanks everyone, had a thought
if its for shot & therefor possibly hunting & not military, could it be an heraldic coat coat of arms