Author Topic: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers  (Read 10389 times)

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Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« on: July 13, 2011, 01:32:40 am »
I just became the recipient of a large (upwards of 100 pieces) collection of Victorian era millinery (hat making) feathers. To a reenactor, this is a gold mine of goodies. These were given to me, so I'm keeping the good vibe going and will be giving them away to other lady reenactors, in a series of potluck events where you bring an unadorned hat and go home with a masterpiece! Some of the really unique things I think I will put into a display for reenactment events. Some of this stuff is pretty interesting. They came from a French lady and her great-grandson gave me a brief history on her. One story involved being shelled by a Prussian bomb that hit the house, but didn't explode! These came wrapped in tissue held closed with straight pins and labled in French.

Here are some samples from the collection:

Deep purple wired feathers:



A blue "bird" with real feathers and beak:



A large, beautiful silver-colored feather:



Striped feather, maybe from a pheasant?



Feathered cuffs and perhas a frontspiece of some sort?



Vibrant blue wing



Feather tassle



Ostrich plume wired collar?



Lovely curled feathers



Long red feathers



This one is a bit of a horror, but ever so Victorian- It is made out of what I think are humming birds. In the center are the bottom beaks, then are the throats, bellies and finally the tails. I have never seen anything quite like this:



Red plume with beads in the center



Finally this is a sampling of what most of the collection is- lovely black feathers.



Admit it... you're fascinated in a twisted kind of way! I'm going to take a display of these pieces to Old Sacramento where I did the treadle sewing machine demo last year and will have fun trying to convince folks to go catch me a bird, gut it, remove the head and feet then bring it back so that I can make it into a hat!! (too much fun!)
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 01:38:06 am by talesofthesevenseas »
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 05:53:24 am »
Tales,the striped feather is a Ring-necked Pheasant tail feather. A word of caution on feathers...some are illegal to have and to hold. Any feather from a protected species is illegal so before you take any to a public setting, please be sure the ones you bring are legal.

I have tied flies for years and some old fly tying feathers from the Victorian era are illegal even if the bird has been dead for 100 years. Owning such and 'advertising' you have them give Federal authorities the right to search your whole property for more.  Even using feathers from a songbird that crashed into the window are illegal.

I would just be prudent to be safe.

http://www.lab.fws.gov/featheratlas/
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 06:02:20 am »
Tales these are beautiful!!! Although sad for the little birds they are  wonderful pieces of history!!! Would have loved to entered a opulent millinery salon in Paris, France during that time period!!! Here is a wonderful site that may help with your new find if you need it !!!  http://www.ruedelapaixhats.com/   :o

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 08:40:34 am »
What a find!!!  They are beautiful!
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 12:37:55 am »
Thanks Wayward! I will check into the legal issues. Thanks for saving me from jail time.  ;D  Fortunately the lady these came from wrote the species and color of each set of feathers on the folded and pinned tissue paper "envelopes" that they are in. I can translate them from French with an online translater and then look them up to see if they are illegal. Thanks for the heads up, that didn't occur to me. I bet my hummingbird circles turn out to be illegal. Don't bust me OK gang?!!
I agree they are beautiful, yet creepy at the same time. I think that's what makes them so interesting.
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 01:23:44 am »
I laughed thinking of the pirate woman in the brig!

Wise advise about the feathers....it is very true!!!!

Love your collection!  What a prize!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 05:50:08 am »
Tales, there would not be any jail time...just money and lots of it! It is nice the woman wrote the species on the envelopes. That is a big time saver. The pheasant feather for sure is OK. Commonly sold for fly tying and used worldwide in flies, flower arrangements, and hats.
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 07:32:16 am »
If any of them end up being illegal to own, some can still be owned by Native Americans, especially feathers from birds-of-prey.  You could always give them to an enrolled tribal member -- they will bless the feather and thank the bird, then they can use them in ceremonies.

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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 01:08:36 pm »
It looks like the ones that are the most common ones that get fined are Bald Eagle and Golden Eagle. I don't think I have any of those. What may be an issue are the herons and hummingbirds. I emailed CITES and the Fish & Wildlife Service explaining my situation and that I need a list to check these against. I am not finding a master list online. I will let you guys know what I come up with and will post any good lists in the Exceptional Threads section.
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 01:43:24 pm »
I think this is going to be the info I need:
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/treatlaw.html

Here is the species list that I think I need to refer to.
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 05:21:35 pm »
I have an email in to the Fish and Wildlife Service to find out if I need a permit to display these pieces. They issue permits for certain types of use. Hopefully one can be issued for this kind of use.

I think I will definitely need to take a different approach for the presentation however, and present it from an educational angle- that these birds were nearly hunted to extinction for hats and that is why we don't do this anymore.

I'll let you guys know what they say and in the meantime I'm going to sit down with the translator and compare what I have to the list of protected species. It would really be a bummer if this has to be hidden away. I've just never seen anything like this stuff and PC or not, this is what people did in the Victorian era. Right or wrong, it's really interesting because you just don't see this kind of stuff, certainly not in a huge quantity like this.
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 05:40:19 pm »
I agree, and they are beautiful!  They should be displayed, and I like the education angle!

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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2011, 06:05:36 pm »
Yeah, I think I can do this and put a positive spin on it. It would certainly be meaningful when you see the real thing and then really think about the impact it had. The hummingbird one really does look like dead birds when you take a closer look, and with the right presentation this might be a lot more meaningful to kids who are learning about the environment than just reading about it in a text book.
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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2011, 08:07:41 pm »
I think it was during the Victorian era that nest and egg collecting were also in vogue.

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Re: Hoard of Victorian Era Millinery Feathers
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2011, 08:39:47 pm »
     Overall before the advent of the industrial age, most if not all items came from a natural source.  It today world we just make it out of plastic and other wonderful stuff the the scientist of today come up with.  In many ways this is a shame, and in other ways it is for the best.  Guess it is the conflict of the new world we live in.  Furs replaced by Poly????  or something, wood by used Mcdonald cups, and feathers well not sure what those synthetic ones are made of.  But I sure is causes some sort of cancer or other human killing chemicals, well guess that is better then the bird.