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Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:17:42 pm »
I've been looking for something special and affordable to replace my 1940's era glass china hutch. I'm planning to go take a look at this one. The seller says it needs a repair to the crown molding and one of the knobs. Style-wise does this look consistant with the 1850 date they are giving? Running a google image search for 1850 china cabinets brings up several similar. Any comments on this one? I'll be turning it around, looking for signs that it has been refinished, looking at the construction, hardware etc.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/2709659417.html
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 06:24:02 pm »
Looks closer to 1870s to me, from what I can see. When the pictures are small like that, I ask that they send them through email because the pictures will be bigger through email. Looks nice anyways!

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 06:27:04 pm »
Are you sure they said 1850 ?? Looks more 1950 to me !! But can`t see pics well with them laying sideways !! And too small to get a definite idea of age !!  Would have to examine closely but sure doesn`t look that early !!
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 06:41:43 pm »
It looks a little later to me too, I'm good with anything pre-1900. I will know if it's 1950 when I see it in person, LOL! Let's hope not! It's not too far out of my way, so I'm going to swing by and have a look on my way home.
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 06:48:09 pm »
 Take additional pics if you are still unsure after you look at it !!

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 06:55:26 pm »
Style wise, the closest I found was on this page 2nd from bottom: http://tepapanui.com/category/products/antique-furniture/page/39/

Take note of the glass too tho I'm not sure how to ID 1850 glass but you should be able to tell if replaced...
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 07:06:39 pm »
Look for the inconsistancies in glass !!  Possible waving, bubbles, it should not be perfect !!

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 08:37:37 pm »
That "race track" molding on the drawer fronts would make me think "Victorian era". So I guess 1850 would be feasible.   



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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 11:29:46 pm »
Well, it is most definitely an oldie.

First I'll tell you the good stuff:

The glass is original pressed "wavy" glass, lots of ripples and bubbles, like what I put into my possum belly Hoosier. The finish is original and the patina looks great. It is constructed with hand-cut square nails throughout and the drawer pulls are held in with pegs, not with hardware and there is a good amout of shrinkage visible on these pegs. However, I'm seeing circular saw marks on the underside of the drawers, so it has to be 1880's, but I think it's a safe bet that it's the early part of the late Victorian era, with all the other stuff. It has loads of personality and rustic, battered character. It is REALLY tall, 87".

It has some significant condition issues. There is a piece of the upper molding that needs to be glued back into place. One of the pegged drawer pulls is broken off and a new one would have to be made by a cabinet maker. The inside of the upper cabinet has been painted blue and there is backing on the back of it that is a later addition and I suspect that there are some serious condition issues going on under there. There is some missing decorative inlay on one of the lower drawers and a gouge around the keyhole in the upper cabinet.

All that said I still like it, however I realized that although it has character going for it, it really has minimal value. So after coming home and checking measurements, I emailed the guy back and offered him $100 for it and said that that was really about all I was comfortable with, so we'll see what happens.

Here are some cell phone pics:

You can get a better sense of the age in these photos:



Square nails and nice wear around them in the tabletop. Love the wear on this surface, it's worn very smooth from lots of use.



Inside of the drawer, looking at the peg that secures the drawer pull to the drawer. Notice how these have shrunk and the peg is now recessed.



Old style keyholes



Another angle



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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 12:45:43 am »
Good luck!  I know you will make it have new life if you get it!
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 12:48:43 am »
I hope they accept your offer tales! It looks like it has great patina and character, I like the style. Keep us updated. :)

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 11:29:11 am »
Even though your pics are fuzzy, at least they show some age to it !!  Really couldn`t tell from their pics !!  Good luck getting it !! From your description sounds like a fair offer !!

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 03:31:18 pm »
Thanks, I haven't heard anything back. He told me he had three responses to his post within half an hour of posting it, and that when people came to see it they all told him it was later than 1850. He didn't have much to say when I pointed out the circular saw marks, but I think he is hoping for a better offer. Most people aren't into project pieces and most people who are need to have a bargain basement price to want to take on a project and invest their time and money into it. We'll see what happens.

This one also looks interesting, it's an old pie safe, all original, with vented sides and glass doors.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/2704966319.html
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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 03:48:08 pm »
Love the pie safe one, Tales!

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Re: Need quick opinions on this 1850 china cabinet
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 03:50:48 pm »
I like the second one, too! Reminds me of this one I have been wanting but they just want too much for it. Or, maybe it's not too much to ask. Just too much for me. :)

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/atq/2698626064.html